CVS3: Ono = Oh no or Oh yes?
Sheesh, word gets round fast. From the interview with Ono about Poison:
(EGM) Then, before I leave, since everybody is always telling you on
Twitter or wherever else what they want from you and Capcom… I want Capcom
vs. SNK 3.(Ono) Ahhhh. [laughs] I wasn’t necessarily sold on that idea until I played The
King of Fighters XIII. I’m actually really impressed with it, and think
they did a great job with it. So, you know, I’m open to the idea, at least more
than I was before.
Doors are opening (have you voted on the poll yet? Needs to be sent by the end of this week) and possibilites become greater… Now, here at Orochinagi, we are not deaf: after all the praise that was poured on SFIV, we noted that a backlash started to appear against Ono. What wasn’t clear was the reason- was it because of unsatisfactory production decisions or is it just that people will moan about anything?
Ono has already shown his interest in making a new Darkstalkers and it is pretty safe to assume that it will be in 2.5D (3D models on a 2d plane). Considering the hand drawn pixel quality of Vampyre Saviour, this has caused a bit of an uproar. If Ono were to get his hands as producer of CVS3, we would assume the same would happen – now look at the pros and cons. Pros: 3D models are easy to adjust, and costumes are far easier to make. With computerised stretching and warping of textures, there is no need to redraw sprites. Imagine! Cons: It’s 3D.
People can moan about SFIV all they like, look at its success and profitability. But is that what we really want? Would CVS3 be in good hands with Ono?
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And Capcom probably means by saying SNK is not interested that SNK has not approached them yet, but Capcom PR is unreliable so….bleh, if only fans could get the two companies to sit down at least..
Well, the most recent example is KOF13 producer saying he is interested and enthusiastic about SVC/CVS in the pre-evo interview, i was hoping others had stuff too
I don’t think you’ll find anything in writing. Where’s the evidence that SNKP were not interested?
Any new news regarding CvS3 or SvC2?
Capcom people keep saying that SNK has not shown interest.
I think SNK officials have said rececntly they want another crossover game with Capcom, does anyone have links to the instances the SNK have shown interst so then i can show Capcom people that look they are interested …
someone said this ” because instead of building a solid repution by releasing goods in a market where no one knows about ( thing tha you work hard on), but you want a quick cash-in with CVS3 because working with capcom will put you on the map”
SNKP should want to do that, KOF XIII is the BEST fighting game of this generation in my opinion and I think more people should have their eyes opened to that fact, the cvs series brought TONS of people over to snk but the problem is at that point most fans reverted back because snk didn’t/couldnt capitalize.
Sad reality is I had to drive 45 minutes from my home just to buy a copy of KOF XIII ( I live in Ontario, Canada) and I have 3 gamestops and 1 future shop in my city.
Id love for snkp to cash in with capcom, then maybe we will get things like better netcode for the next kof game
If SNKP made a SvC2 that runs like KOF XIII than I agree totally.
Ive always been a fan of both series, I just loved CvS2 and would LOVE to have these 2 series cross over again.
Haven’t even tried SFxTekken nor will I. Ill stick to KOF XIII and IV AE
That was then not now, theirs no way I want a Capcom produced CVS3 after SF4 n SFxTK, two god awful games imo.
To compare CVS2 to SVC is not fair because SNK were on their last legs and SNKP did fuck all to improve what they had left over.
After KOF 13 theirs no doubt in my mind SVC 2 would be awesome and better than any Capcom effort.
CvS2 is my favorite fighting game of all time and even if a cvs3 isn’t made I at the very least want CvS2 to be put on psn and xbla to be played online.
I understand people being partial to snk over capcom, but for anyone to say svc was a better game than cvs2 is simply lying to themselves.
I have always been a fan of and played both the street fighter and king of fighters series, CvS did bring fans to the KOF series and I know this to be fact because MANY of my friends who were solely street fighter characters began playing both games after the release of cvs2.
Sorry, but alls CVS sucks, CVS2 uses the same SF engine, only modified for could roll and short jumps, you can see Justin Wong videos in youtube doing turtling with Vega like in SF.
CVS2 is a SF with SNK players, If Capcom could released I do not buy it unless change the engine.
ehh i rather have SNK concentrate on KOF XIII.
then after that make another Dream Match in KOF XIV with the combine mechanics of XI and 2002UM. or a New Saumurai Shodown, Metal Slug, The Last Blade or even a more preferable cross over game with Arc System works.,
seriously imagine KOF and GG characters using their respective engines. KOF on GG engine with Blazblue High Quality Sprites would be amazing O_____O
oh and keep Mori(director of Blazblue) out of this, would rather have Daisuke Ishiwatari(Guilty Gear) handling this. another amazing part is that some of the SNK employees are working in Arc System Works. not to mention Daisuke Ishiwatari directed The Last Blade so has has some SNK blood with him 😛
oh and the capcom of today would probably destroy the KOF brand so yeah keep them out of SNK.
Street Fighter is a good game(my favorite is the Alpha Series) but they are nothing against The King of Fighters 😛
Hmm… you know, when you put it that way, I actually feel like I derped a bit there. Haha, sorta short-sighted of me to say that 😛
Either way, the second part of my rant still stands… sorta.
@Darkdreamtck
We’re talking about CvS3. Asking for CvS3 to be an ‘extension’ of CvS2 is not really asking for CvS3 – it’s asking for CvS2.5. Or Super CvS2, or whatever. Asking for CvS3 to expand upon what CvS2 established with regard to its own systems defeats the purpose of having a sequel at all.
All the good KOFs save for XI were exactly what you said defeated the purpose of a sequel. A GOOD sequel expands on what was established in its last game while adding its own flavor, which is what I want CvS3 to do. I just want it to keep the same general FEEL of CvS2. Like how XIII has the same general feel of 2002, albeit slower. We don’t need CvS3 to change the formula for CvS2, we just need it expanded. Make the grooves feel better while balancing. S groove should allow you to charge cancel certain moves for a good boost in gauge. Rolls should stay in the grooves they are, but SNK grooves should allow front and back rolls. Little things that can work well for it, and for the love of god try and keep it 2D. If it was handled by Ono, we’d end with yet another version of SFIV only with SNK characters. We need one that’s an actual collaboration. The thing I liked most about CvS2 is that it felt like both Street Fighter and King of Fighters, albeit less the second than the first. I’d want that to be encompassed here.
It’s more that I want a Proper Sequel instead of a bastardization.
I’m sitting more on the no side than the yes for a few reasons.
Firstly, CvS2 was a pretty good game, it was a reasonable pace, maybe a little slow but it was a solid enough game HOWEVER the balance between the cast members just wasn’t there. Most of the best characters were from the Capcom side and the best grooves were the Capcom grooves (even though rolls were an SNK game play element, they were attached to Capcom grooves :O ). If CvS3 was to be made and all the best characters are SF characters and all the best modes are Capcom modes then it doesn’t make SNK look good.
I think we all know the publicity would be fantastic for SNK but if you don’t see SNK characters or grooves being used, it makes SNK look inferior which they aren’t. We all know that if SNK characters were put in SNK grooves against Capcom characters, the Capcom characters would be destroyed. Capcom characters would have to pick SNK grooves to stand a chance and even then Robert would batter Ryu every day except sunday (because on Sundays, Robert rests).
Now if Capcom was making that sort of game would they allow that to happen (as it effectively makes them look bad then), simple answer is no. You would see the barstardisation of the Capcom grooves to try and put them on an even keel and watered down SNK mechanics so that they were ‘balanced’ when in reality SNK systems are designed to be powerful and fair where as Capcom grooves are currently being design to give more assistance to the lesser skilled player.
In short, while the publicity would be great, both companies interests would stop the game from being properly made.
P.S. If Ryu looks like Ben Stiller on a bad day I really don’t want Robert to start looking like Adam Sandler.
Am I really seeing people say SF4 sucks then asking for SVC2? C’mon KOF community, I thought we were better than that.
@Darkdreamtck
We’re talking about CvS3. Asking for CvS3 to be an ‘extension’ of CvS2 is not really asking for CvS3 – it’s asking for CvS2.5. Or Super CvS2, or whatever. Asking for CvS3 to expand upon what CvS2 established with regard to its own systems defeats the purpose of having a sequel at all.
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Personally, I don’t see the reason for the Ono hate. I mean, sure, Ono isn’t exactly the world’s best fighting game developer, but as Gun said, he can be credited with bringing fighting games back into the mainstream, which, whether you smelly hipsters (:P) like it or not, is a good thing. The more the merrier, as they say. Besides, there are heaps of Capcom representatives out there that are willing to listen to what players suggest, as long as it’s within reason. Seth Killian and probably even Ono himself will likely listen to any intelligent suggestions, like tightening up reversal windows and functions.
In truth, I have a little respect for Ono’s vision of SFIV, in that he wanted the game to have the depth and complexity of past SF games (whether or not this was achieved still sparks flame wars to this day), but still make it accessible to newcomers. His mistake was that he made it a bit too accessible.
/rant
I had played a few Fatal Fury games and KOF ’94, but I truly came to love SNK’s characters because of the first Capcom vs. SNK. As such, I would love to see both Capcom and SNK revisit their takes on the series. It would be cool to see SNK’s characters rendered in the 2.5D style for CVS3. Likewise, it would be great to see Capcom characters get the HD sprite treatment in SVC2. I fully endorse both possibilities!
I just want to say that CvS2 introduced my friends and I to SNK. After Cvs2, I bought all the Kof games
SF 4 gets its fair share of bashing. mine is that the game in certain spots is very badly programmed and adjusted.. or not adjusted at all. and it’s pace is far slower than ST and 3s.
i’d want an SVC 2 running on the KOF engine more though…
i’m indifferent, but i do want the downfall of ryo mizufune, in any case.
All next gen capcom has been horrible.. every game Ono produce is trash therefore I dont want to see this because he will just butcher it.. now a SvC2 would be godlike on a kof13 engine
I agree with DarkDreamtck and “The Question”
i mean good games
I thoght kof xiii was bringing the awarness of snkp on the merit of the game being good and it being different from its competitors. CVS3 doesn’t make snkp looking good, instead its shows that snkp cannot make an impact even with their best effort, without capcom help. This is the kind of cringe worthy desicion that can fuck up snkp because they didn’t evaluate how the desicion can impact them or help them. This kind of desicion puts me on edge, because instead of building a solid repution by releasing goods in a market where no one knows about ( thing tha you work hard on), but you want a quick cash-in with CVS3 because working with capcom will put you on the map but it does not mean people will buy you’re product cause you allowed capcom to use youre characters, just because snkp is not willing to work hard for success
snkp should be serious about anything they do, money dont come to you for not doing nothing
As a player of many different fighting games, allow me to tell you that a CvS2 produced by Ono would be a huge mistake. CvS2 is what I regard as the best fighting game ever due to the sheer amount of options, strategy, and skill required that the game offers, and Ono heading it would be a tragedy. So far, all of his games (4 Street Fighter 4s and SFxT) cater to REWARDING YOU FOR DOING WRONG. Get knocked down? Insane reversal window that grants you complete invincibility and huge potential damage. The engine for the games he makes are all based off of SFIV, and CvS3 would be no exception. Way I see it, I want CvS3 to be an evolution of the CvS2 system with more characters. SNK should head the artwork, SNK and Capcom should both work to get the feel as close to CvS2 as possible with fixes like giving players the ability to cancel normals into command normals and giving characters links (Not that easy SFIV crap, the CvS2 Links that took effort). It should have the same general speed as it, with slightly changed hit detection, and the grooves should be balanced amongst themselves. Ratio System should stay how it is.
If done right it could be perfect, but I doubt it will be handled by anyone but Ono. You make one easy to play game with Ryu in it and all of a sudden ur fighting game creator Jesus, DESPITE how ur stuff was ass compared to every other SF before 4 sans The Movie.
Ugh… Still, I’d get it regardless just because I’ve wanted a CvS3 for a good decade. I’d much prefer a CvS2 OE, but yeah doubt it.
Hey Gun, I think you misunderstood me on a couple of things. First, I wasn’t accusing YOU of Ono hate, just some of the other posters. And I was suggesting that a CVS3 WOULD bring awareness to SNK, not that SF4 DID. I know I for one only got into KOF because of CVS1 and now it’s by far my favorite series.
I think a lot of people are thinking that if Capcom or Ono made it, it would play just like SF, but CVS was very different from Alpha and 3S and SFxT seems by most accounts very different from SF4. CVS2 was a great game that really didn’t play like SF or KOF, it was a nice mesh between the two.
It be Cool but seeing these days, it would suck. Really CvS3 will end up like MvC3. Hell, Ono wasn’t interested in doing it until he saw that XIII seem like a fighter that people would buy (no surprise there). And Really, CvS2 was nothing special or good and its not like it help bring some of the Capcom fans to show some love for other SNK Games. There are still idiots who thought Hibiki was only in CvS2. Besides Capcom are starting to get annoying with the crossover thing like it helps and really it doesn’t and just shows that the companies can’t do their own thing, i rather see SNK bring back more awesome fighters like Garou 2
Lol’ed at the tag team wrestlers vs. shotcan fighters post…
Forgot to say this, if SNK made their ver. awesome, then I would jump ship in theirs in the Vs. series…
And I’d like to see some Terry vs. Cody action, two brawlers fighting it out! Lol
I agree with Louis, partly.
CVS2 did A LOT to raise awareness of SNKP characters. The only question is, did all those Capcom fans try to play KOF?
Doc, I don’t have any beef with Ono (and it would be weird for KOF fans to even know who he is), simply because he is most probably responsible for bringing the fighting game scene back in a big way. However, again, how did this benefit SNKP? It actually half killed them: they rushed out KOF XII to compete with SFIV and look what happened.
Would CVS3 bring Capcom fans to play KOF XIII? I doubt it. SFIV is boring, but easy to play and pretty to look at. If KOF followed this pattern, it would no longer be KOF.
Maybe that’s a good thing. CVS3 could be the game I will play when I’m drunk and feel like pitting Raiden and Zangief again against the shotokan masses. Did someoone say Rock Howard? Capcom could afford to make him, no problem.
Heck, I’d even play with Raiden and Zangief vs Tekken. L4 DROP KICK into Siberrian Blizzard tag combo ftw. Is that bad?
You know what I voted for, But like I said before, I wish SNK can redeem it’s self in the VS series with their own version, I’m stil waiting for a SVC:Chaos 2 and this time do it right, please!
SNKP needs to stay the course and concentrate on promoting 13.
If an oppertunity comes along that will benefit KOF, they should take it.
In my opinion, SNK shot themselves in the foot with CvS2. It brought attention to the KOF seires because the KOF characters in CvS2 were so cool…but SNK didnt come out with a big new game after Cvs2 to ride that momentum. People can say that 2002 was a great game but to the casual fan, it was the same old thing…and SvCChaos looked dated before it even came out.
If SNKP makes a new VS game, they better be ready to commit and push something big.
I should have expected the mindless Ono-hate would be especially bad on a KOF site. That aside, I would love for Ono to make a 2.5d CVS3. SFxT looks fantastic (I can’t see how people see different other than “hurr-durr gem system iz stoopid, I hate new things”) and it would allow Capcom to give the characters the treatment they deserve instead of having to cut characters and moves because of budget and time constraints (like KOFXII did)
Street Fighter IV isn’t a bad game because Ono made it, it’s just boring because Street Fighter is boring, and it’s not old enough to be “classic” like ST or 3S so it’s judged much more harshly. Anyone whose read Ono’s interviews should know that he has a deep love and for the genre and puts a ton of thought into every aspect. He made a good Street Fighter II style game, the problem is Street Fighter II’s just not that much fun anymore. And it’s not like Niitsuma is sooo much better. Sure TVC was awesome but MVC3 was… significantly less so.
Also, to the poster that said it wouldn’t benefit SNK at all, you’re completely wrong. Would SNK make much money off of it? Probably not, but Street Fighter is the face of fighting games, now as much as ever and the sheer attention SNK would get because of something like this would be a tremendous benefit to the company.
Id rather see a new, SNK produced SvC instead, so “Oh No!” for me.
We will always have CvS2, so why not try CvS3 after all.
I really look forward to the most epic fighting game rivalry returning.
I would be down for a CvS3 if Niitsuma or NeoG directed it. Outside the balance issues I think CvS2 was a well designed game.
Yes, it can be nothing but shit.
Also, according to the type of contracts that Capcom offers this wouldn’t benefit snk in the least. Their “deals” state that each company makes a game and profits go to the manufacturers; thus capcom will put another piece of crap game with a complexity level that a mitocondria can be a tournament favorite and everyone can turn into dark pheonix, plus fugly SF2² dated visuals (which where already dated by the time SF2² was released) and their fan boys would completely love the game regardless of how little sense it makes and will spend their family heirloom on it. And by their side snk would be unable to pull off a HD 720p HD hand draw graphics fighter with over to 40 guys (which is what people are stupid enough to expect when they see a new game / update from SNK) and will gain more backlash than they already have with their “hackjob” DLCs.
No thank you.
It will be shit.
Capcom vs. SNK 3 made by Capcom with Ono could be a good game (or maybe not that good… For me SFxT looks horrible), but very popular for sure… But, could this game be good for SNKP? Or it will be only useful to show to SNKP that Capcom can make things better (more sells, 3D modern graphics, more fanbase, more showing in tournaments..)? If CvS3 is done, 2D SNKP KOF will fall in oblivion again. So I say “Oh no”. No to fighting games monopoly.