[UM] Heidren

PenPen · Post by **PenPen** » Fri Apr 04, 2008 08:24

b,f+P recovers slightly faster now.
qcfx2+P sucks more blood from what I saw.
And I think his

+K counter move is better now.

PenPen · Post by **PenPen** » Sat Apr 12, 2008 10:04

Weak attacks can now connect into GO TO HELL! super.

AcidicEnema · Post by **AcidicEnema** » Thu Apr 17, 2008 08:25

Not sure how it was in 98', but cross up hop C is really good.

Can repeatedly cross up an opponent left and right, ala Chris hop D.

Tel · Post by **Tel** » Thu Apr 17, 2008 17:05

PenPen wrote:Weak attacks can now connect into GO TO HELL! super.

YEAH BABY! LMAO Err, which DM BTW? He says 'GO TO HELL!' for both DMs. I'm guessing it's the boomy boomy one rather than the sucky sucky one?

PenPen · Post by **PenPen** » Thu Apr 17, 2008 18:21

The one that goes 'boom' that is. Somehow I forgot that the blood sucking one has him saying that too.

AcidicEnema · Post by **AcidicEnema** » Mon May 26, 2008 22:14

f+B (1 hit)> quick Dodge> dodge attack>

,

+K

frionel · Post by **frionel** » Sun Jun 08, 2008 04:23

far standing D is way faster, he hits directly, without the tourning move.

His guard cancel CD animation changed. It looks like his close st C now. So it's way more efficient.

And yes, his counter move is way better, it's faster, and counter mid attacks now (and high). It's also usefull to set up imblocable fireballs.

Tel · Post by **Tel** » Sun Jul 06, 2008 17:44

Now that his close C is cancelable on the first hit, you can combo into the Final Bringer in the open. You can also use a Storm Bringer.

I could be wrong, but I think Heidern regains more health from a fully-tapped Storm Bringer now.

Kane317 · Post by **Kane317** » Sun Jul 06, 2008 21:49

Tel wrote:Now that his close C is cancelable on the first hit, you can combo into the Final Bringer in the open. You can also use a Storm Bringer.

I could be wrong, but I think Heidern regains more health from a fully-tapped Storm Bringer now.

I could have sworn I did s.C [1hit], storm bringer...now that just confirms it. Tapping while performing storm bringer always regained more health, even in '98.

Tel · Post by **Tel** » Mon Jul 07, 2008 03:48

No, what I mean is when tapped out, Heidern seems to get back more health in UM than regular '98.

Kane317 · Post by **Kane317** » Mon Jul 07, 2008 08:41

Oops, I re-read what you originally wrote, my bad.

~!T.T!~ · Post by **~!T.T!~** » Mon Jul 07, 2008 14:25

jump c's crossup capabilities seem the same as 98. It also has a massive hitbox that goes from his arms to his knees.....

and yeah, far D is actually a semi-decent anti air on some occasions now.

didn't know about the first hit of stand c being cancellable. That's awesome, because he now has a decent stand c combo that doesn't need meter

btw, death bringer is his bloodsucking super right?

edit: oh yeah, forgot to mention that down A, down A, moon slasher is waaaay more consistent to pull off now, with or without a jump-in

Tel · Post by **Tel** » Mon Jul 07, 2008 14:53

Yeah, Final Bringer is the blood sucking one. It's nice that you can combo it in the open now.

I don't notice Heidern's crouching A being much easier to link, but Leona's is definitely faster.

frionel · Post by **frionel** » Sun Jul 13, 2008 16:06

He has his "bug" from KOF 94/95

If you do a moon slasher that doesn't hit, the storm bringer and final bringer DM/SDM do way more damage!

Tel · Post by **Tel** » Sun Jul 13, 2008 16:52

frionel wrote:He has his "bug" from KOF 94/95

If you do a moon slasher that doesn't hit, the storm bringer and final bringer DM/SDM do way more damage!

I never knew about that bug, so I'll give it a try and see what it's like. The REALLY scary bug was Heidern's 80% damage Moon Slasher on a Counter Hit against some moves back in '94/95.