random impressions from vids I've seen:
fireball DM sucks, super slow startup with seemingly no invulnerability
his normal throw looks like it does stronger damage than most (maybe I'm just seeing things)
fireball special still looks good. the C version looks like it takes less time to come out than in previous games? (maybe?)
official combos:
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misc combos:
cBcB > d_u+K/somersault DM
C cB (this is a link)
Jump D -> C -> b+B -> A,B,C,D -> d,u+D
---------------Following Edit by Gunsmith------------------
Ash Crimson
Ash Crimson
v1.08 (defence flowchart tweaked / lag tactics / b-f C note /
x2 K note/ ash vs ash note) v1.07 (rethinking defence tactics) v1.06 (another combo) 1.05 (ABCD flick trick and combos sorted into easy med hard levels) v1.04 (air attacks updated, d-u B priority note)Ash takes a bit of getting used to but is quite a formidable character. Most play him defensively but if your opponent isn't that fast you can get right in and start playing mind games.
NOTATION
f = Forward
b = Back
d = Down
j = Jump
h = Hop
c = Crouch / Low
A B C D = LP LK HP HK
P = A or C
K = B or D
qc = quarter circle i.e. swivelling the control by 90 degrees either f or b
hc= half circle 180 degrees
Remember that button presses are in CAPITALS and movements are in lower case, so if you see "db D" that means Down-Back + D
COLOURS
A = White Hair, Red and White Clothes
B = Salmon Pink Hair, Blue and White Clothes
C = Pink Hair, Red and Pink Clothes
D = Ginger Hair, Green Clothes
MOVES
NORMALS
Ash will mostly be using c
, b / 
and c He relies more on his specials.
- His little slap can be useful for maintaining your position without walking back (just hit it repeatedly while charging) Also good for defending against rushdown when you're pinned in the corner.c
- Ash's crouch is quick and easy to spam but note inflicts 25 damage while c does 30... note that c needs a tiny pause to cancel into 
but instantly cancels into 
c
- Much longer than most other characters, his poke tool. However, it doesn't cancel, you need to chain it to c A to cancel into any special moves. Can catch landing opponents.b
/ - looks like an overhead but isn't 
, which allows you to charge his Ventoise fireballs. goes forward while goes back. Whenever you do any of his spinning kicks, especially b , you should then be charging his 
, but you should then move the lever to 
so you can charge his too.c
- this move is weird. It seems to have a very low hit box so when it hits as anti air, it actually hits them as they land, thus combo-able. Needs more testing. - seems quite solid and could be used as anti-air, but needs more testing. His CC starter.c
- his sweep. Cancel into for pressure if close.j
- this is quick and has good range. I use by vertically hopping in front of cornered opponents before going into the usual pinning strat.j
- probably his best jump in attack for mind games as it hits fairly deep. Do it early with a hyper hop to hit those online with input lag.j
- this is good for air to air but also good for jump ins because Ash looks like he's about to hit the ground, which can fool the opponent into thinking your going to empty hop.j
- nice jump kick but if timed too late will whiff. This could be to your advantage if your quick enough, so it's virtually an empty hop in...SPECIALS
- The A version is quicker but the C version is like 2-in-1, as the green mist that forms can hit jumpers and nullify opponents' fireballs before Ash sends his own. Mix up use between A and C, making sure there's no space to jump over. Note when using C version, while he's conjuring up the flames, Ash can be hit. - Good old anti air. One second charge. Note that you can inflict 140 damage if you connect c Bx2, c A, d u B (less if you use D version!) as the move fully hits the opponent, something to bear in mind when using his d-u K... Also note the D version goes forward quite a bit so beware of using this as it may well go under the opponent as they jump. As you're sitting, there may be occasions when the opponent aims for your head but flies over, wait a little and you can d-u from behind. Note that I've seen the B version knocked out by Clark's sweep, which means it's not invincible. Confirmed: B version not invincible at all (Need to try D version), you can't use this as a wake up anti air. I would recommend either blocking or attempting c B instead.DMs
x2 - good for combos and anti air. Note, Benimaru beat it with his j , which means either he has high priority j D (quite likely) or Ash's DM has poor priority - this needs testing. x2 - don't use! Ash can swept out of this, and the ball can be rolled past. Far too slow., , , - this DM can be used as a counter, but really is best for CC combos. If you're having trouble executing, try rolling your fingers over the buttons like a piano, or run your forefinger's nail against the A button and flick it across A B C and D real quick. God help you if you're using a pad.COMBOS
His staple combo is c
, c x2, d-u - note there must be a tiny pause after the c A far safer combo is c
, c , which you can follow up with few pressure options.EASY LEVEL COMBOS
c
, c , [117]c
x2, c , [140]j
, c , c , [178]c
, c , x2 corner: j D, c
x2, c A, d-u B [201], CD, x2 j
, c , CD, [230]Obviously, you can charge down as soon as you're in the air and do the CD while you are still crouching, but the timing is hard to practice: the j D --> c C is instant, but there's a tiny pause before you can hit the CD, and another before you hit the d-u B. The great thing about this combo is you can do it mid screen so use it to punish fireballers.
CC:
x2 [430]MEDIUM
CC: (corner) C, b-f C, C, CD, b-f C, d-u D [369] (D takes more than B this time, and the C makes more damage)
CC: (corner) C, b-f C, c C, CD, qcfx2 K [415]
CC: (corner) C, b-f C, C, CD, b-f C, qcfx2 K [408-459] (deeper the DM the more hits)
CC: (corner) b-f C, d-u B, A,
,C,D, d-u D [423] (yes, without the c C to start, it takes MORE)CC: (corner) b-f C, b-f C, A,
,C,D, d-u D [458] (455 if you add C)j D, c C, CD, qcfx2 B [305-379] - The only difficulty is the timing between the j D and c C!
(corner) c C -> CD -> b,f+C -> qcfx2+K/(ABCD -> d,u+D)... (qcfx2+K does more damage).
j D, c
, c A, b f A, c A, d-u D / [D=236] j. C -> c
-> c A -> b, f+A -> c A -> x2+KHARD
(corner) j D -> c A -> b,f+A -> c
-> c A -> b,f+A -> qcfx2+K(corner) CC -> b-f C, C, b-f A, C, CD, qcfx2 K [480-507] [471-502 if you start with C)
The timing is tough to control if you don't have the nerve. There is a slight delay after standing C before you can cancel into b-f A (or b-f C).
From KOF Union's Combo video----
Jump D -> C -> b+B -> A,B,C,D -> d,u+D [379]
CC -> b,f+A -> CD ->
-> b,f+A (ends CC) -> forward run CD -> A, ,C,D -> b,f+C -> d,u+D – Works anywhere. But for the forward run CD you may be hitting the opponent at the wrong time, so you should do d,u+D directly instead.Corner: CC -> b,f+A -> C -> A,
,C,D -> b+D -> CD (ends CC) -> +A -> b,f+C -> d,u+D – Corner combo. Theoretically a CD can be done after the +A but it couldn’t come out. Perhaps it can with simple motion, and a loop of CD->b,f+A could be done that way.b,f+A -> forward jump D -> C -> b,f+A -> C -> CD -> b,f+A ->qcfx2+D – Aside from the b,f+A at the start what happens after that forms a solid combo. CD -> b,f+C is too far away to connect, and for qcfx2+D it’s better to hit the opponent at a lower point for more hits.
PRESSURE -----------------------------------------
DEFENCE
If they get hit by b-f C in the air and recovery roll, do b-f A to hit them. If they don't, b-f C or rush in. Should an opponent jump over, and you don't have the charge for d-u K, remain calm and try to use c
, which if connected, can then be comboed.Recovery rolling opponents are a bit of a hassle for Ash, as you're eventually left with the choice of whether to throw a fireball or not. However, in the corner is no problem as you can hit them out of it.
Defence Flowchart
1. (1) b-f P* ---> 2 / 3 / 4
2. (2) They get hit in air: if they recovery roll ---> 4 /5. If they don't---> 1 / 5
3. (3) They block ---> 1 / 4 / 5
4. (4) Wait and prepare Anti Air: d-u K / C / A / c C
5. (5) b B to move closer or simply walk and D, b D / b B/ c B to poke till you're ready for 1 /4
*b-f C can be rolled past, b-f A can be jumped over. If they predict which one you are going to use, you're dead, so be unpredictable!
OFFENCE
Once you've knocked over the opponent you should rush forward and pressure. Unfortunately as he doesn't have an overhead, he can't really do much but tick damage and hope they jump into a d-u K. Occasionally you can fool them into getting hit with his Stand D or B as they hit low. Here are your main options:
* D ---> b B ---> poke with c B...
* D ---> b D ---> b f C / f C
* b B ---> poke with c B
* b B ---> b-f C
* THROW
* c A ---> A ---> b-f A --> c D ---> b-f A
* c B ---> c D ---> b-f P
* Any of the above but without b-f P and just WAIT, ready for d-u K.
* j A / empty hop --> c B ---> c A whatever / THROW
* Block a counter
I recommend not using b-f A when poking, unless you're sure it's going to hit, because it can be jumped over. b-f C is slower but protects you from jumpers, although it's actually vulnerable at the very start, but once it's released, even if they roll you're free to hit them (edit: needs further testing).
Ash's new (stolen orochi) powers have given him Orochi Shermie's kisses, which can annoy opponents at various ranges.
A/B/C/D from close to far- the guess is up to you- use A when you anticpate jumpers and otherwise where you think the opponent will move to next. Otherwise, X (to where they are) and run forward to apply pressure with his b / c D. If you want to play Guile style, your optimal range is mid screen, where Ash can sit and charge his d u K or b f P and throw in the occasional kiss. Frankly I think it's a waste of time.When you're feeling like applying direct pressure mixup empty hops with his low B combos.
BUFFER
A, = A, qcfx2 GUARD CRUSH
Don't forget that you can hold down while charging CD, so you can do (corner) fully charged CD, CD--> d-u
/qcfx2 B connectsLAG TACTICS
As with any game that suffers from lag input, rushdown is the key to success. Hop and immediately press D, poke with c B, and repeat till you can squeeze in a combo. When they start blocking, start throwing.
ASH VS ASH
A good tactic I've witnessed first hand is that when one Ash has knocked over the other and then sets up b-f C, the other Ash simply executes d-u D, which knocks out the b-f C (before the fireball has come out).
Because d-u K doesn't have invincible start up, Ash can do b-f A as the other Ash gets up, and then hyper j D, which should hit just after the b-f A. If Ash doesn't know about the invicibility issue, he'll try d-u K, and thus get nailed (sigh).
ACTION: Let's have a look at some Ash gameplay. You'll see a fairly aggressive Ash with quite brave use of jump C as pressure against Raiden and by the end, as I said, too much fireballing leads to being jumped over.
