Interpret this convo I had with a girl.

Eczema · Post by **Eczema** » Thu Jun 22, 2006 08:29

oh goddamit charles, doesnt this bitch know who i am. seriously, wow, read the damn convo and decide for yourselves, she totally avoids my questions and is so stubborn. if girls are like this sign me up for the navy.

For the record, I am K, she is J. Before this extract we were talking about saturday. What is happening on saturday is that i might meet some girls. I will mark all the times she avoids the question with an asterix. *

K says:
i havent been maintaining because i had exams and havent been out.
K says:
but if im gonna meet new people then i want to make a good impression
J says:
yeah... ok then
J says:
best of luck for saturday
K says:
thanks. good luck for your romantic endeavours
J says:
i dont need luck
J says:
i most of all dont need YOUR luck
K says:
now that is vain
J says:
no
J says:
that is called "not using people who are supposed to be your friends"
K says:
you arent using me if i wish you good luck wtf. just want my friends to be as successful as me in their love lives
J says:
so how successful is your love life K?
K says:
on par with yours
J says:
you have no idea
K says:
yes i do
K says:
oh boy donnt get me started
J says:
lets just look at it this way. if you wish me the luck that you have with your love life, i would not have a love life
J says:
so
J says:
please, do not wish me that luck
K says:
why do you act so hostile over such a little comment. do u resent me for some reason
K says:
bump
J says:
because
J says:
by wishing me that kind of luck
J says:
you are implying that i have no luck in that area
J says:
and i find that offensive*
K says:
im sorry you feel that way, but you are totally overanalysing a polite response. if someones says good luck wtf am i supposed to say? thanks for the luck but fuck your love life?
K says:
and i find it offensive you think so lowly of my relationships
J says:
alternatively, you could not refer to my love life at all
J says:
and i would not think so lowly of your relationships if you had not decided to use me for your pursuals
K says:
so to seek out your help, of all people, signals inadequate relationships?
K says:
see i can make assumptions too
J says:
u only want to date someone if you think they are 'hot'*
J says:
and that is not what relationships are about
K says:
1. not ONLY because they are hot. i wouldnt date someone if they were mean. but in most social situations, what other determinant am i to use to make a decision on whether to approach? are you saying i should only date friends who i know personally?
K says:
2. i need to wee
J says:
doesnt that depend on what a 'social situation' is?
J says:
and anyway
J says:
it would seem more mannerly to approach people in general, not just the ones you think look good
K says:
yes it would seem that, indeed. however not everyone has so much free time. are you suggesting that a better determinant to approach girls with is proximity rather than physical appearance?
J says:
im not suggesting anything because i dont have to.*
J says:
IM not on the hunt for a girlfriend
K says:
are u on hunt for boyfriend?
K says:
exactly, dont tell me how i 'should' approach girls cos its entirely subjective
K says:
different methods for different girls, because not all girls are the same. that why we aren't dating
J says:
how girls should be approached is something i can have ideas about. but its not something i NEED to know about. thats something YOU need to know about. cos i dont approach pretty girls and ask them out on dates
J says:
try matching the method with the girl
K says:
yes, you can have your opinions on how YOU want to be approached, but hell no it aint something i need to know about. i wont change to cater to a girl, i'll find a girl who likes me as i am. ill find a girl who likes my method, and you can be with a guy whose method you like
K says:
girls arent science or math. there is no definite answer to success
J says:
lol
J says:
K, you have so much to learn
K says:
o rly? enlighten me
J says:
ohhhhhh
J says:
you want to know MY opinions on how I want to be a pproached evne though HELL NO IT AINT something YOU need to know about?
J says:
if i told you all the answers now, how would that be funny?
K says:
i may have much to learn about you, but not all girls are like you.
who mentioned funny? wat are you on about
J says:
true.
J says:
not all girls are like me. BECAUSE EVERY GIRL IS DIFFERENT.
J says:
and i meant it would be funny for me
K says:
dude i know
K says:
K says:
exactly, dont tell me how i 'should' approach girls cos its entirely subjective
K says:
Different methods for different girls, because not all girls are the same.
J says:
oh
K says:
im sure ive pondered the various permutations of this more than u
J says:
so you're the columbo with girls, then i guess you dont need my advice
J says:
i dont need to ponder. i am a girl
K says:
thats the point
J says:
you try to get inside girls minds... i have a girls mind.. i have nothng to learn about girls
J says:
duH
K says:
yes that is true but your mind is different from girls i would like to be with. not worse, just different
K says:
wat the hell is columbo? i dont need your advice but as peter said: "it would be beneficial to grasp the complete complexities of such a diverse subject matter"
K says:
so tell me if you'd like
K says:
go on how do i get in your pants
J says:
thats just the answer
J says:
you dont*
K says:
so the answer to being with you, is to not want to?
J says:
no
J says:
you just dont get it*
J says:
let me put it in a scenario
J says:
lets just say somebody is drowning. and you can throw them one thing to hold onto. now you can throw them a life jacket. or a buoy. or a swimming float. or a tyre. or whatever. this is because different people prefer different things or methods.
K says:
that is ridiculous.
1. dating should be fun, its not life or death.
2. what item is the most buoyant isnt subjective, like seduction methods
J says:
i havnt finsihed my story
J says:
and the point is not life or death. the point is, they have a goal, and that is to stay alive. so in your case, the girl has a goal, and that is to be courted.
J says:
SO DONT THROW HER AN ANVIL
J says:
do you get it now?
K says:
again, it is subjective. different items will yield different results. no one item will work with every girl. you just have to throw the item you want to, and if it doesn't work, find someone else to save.
K says:
it is better for both parties.
J says:
yep, wow you're actually right on track
J says:
so you can throw whatever you want
J says:
but if you throw her an anvil, then she'll drown and die
J says:
and the goal is not fulfilled
J says:
so if you throw her an anvil, she will not be impressed
J says:
and the point is, that no girl wants to be thrown an anvil
J says:
so
K says:
ill just find a girl who likes anvils
J says:
you dont get it
J says:
you're a dumbass*
K says:
you dont get it
K says:
oh goddamit charles
K says:
wat one girl sees as an anvil another may see as a goddam life boat. its subjective
K says:
another man's trash is another man's treasure
J says:
YOU DONT GET IT
J says:
the point is NOT how you see an anvil.
J says:
the point is, that if you are drowning, you will NOT SURVIVE IF YOU HAVE TO HOLD ONTO AN ANVIL
J says:
SO EVEN THOUGH EVERY GIRL HAS A 'DIFFERENT METHOD'
J says:
THERE ARE METHODS WHICH I CAN GUARANTEE YOU WILL NOT WORK FOR ANY GIRL
J says:
the anvil might work for some guys though
K says:
1. the drowning analogy is completely inadequate.
2. yes i know some methods are absolute crap.
3. my point is that it is better for both parties, if a guy finds a girl who likes his own personal method, instead of doing something he is not comfortable with to be with another girl
J says:
fine*
J says:
have it your way
J says:
i now declare my drowning analogy is completely inadequate
J says:
i also declare that though i am a girl, i know nothing about girls, nor what they want
J says:
K, you were right all along
J says:
you know everything about girls, good luck beating them off with a stick to choose the one that you want
K says:
oh hell no nigger dont be gay. dont pretend to be sarcastic.
you know what YOU want in a relationship, but you can't speak for all girls
J says:
yeah you're right K
J says:
i cant speak for all girls
J says:
actually, i cant speak for any girls
J says:
so go, explore the world of the girls mind
J says:
im sure you'll be pleasantly surprised
J says:
i still dont see what the problem is
K says:
the problem is you dont seem to understand girls, and you seem to be the one that is so vain
J says:
you know, i was just agreeing with you
J says:
i dont understand girls at all
K says:
we'll talk about this tonite, i cant detect sarcasm over msn
J says:
what is there to talk about
J says:
you are not listening to my advice anyway
K says:
hopefully you can express it better verbally then
K says:
you are still coming rite
J says:
i dont think i can come
K says:
okok we finish it here.
K says:
go on how do i get in your pants
J says:
thats just the answer
J says:
you dont
K says:
without gay analogies this time
J says:
huh?
K says:
hypothetically, how would a guy be able to become involved romantically with you
J says:
me specifically?
K says:
yes, and also how you think girls in general
J says:
hmm
J says:
cant say really. if he gets me, he gets me. if he doesnt, then he doesnt.*
J says:
cant say for other girls, i wouldnt want you to stereotype*
K says:
so you agree with my points that
1. girls are subjective in their perspectives on courting rituals
2. girls and guys shouldnt change who they are and rather find someone else who is naturally compatible, and
3. you really have been spouting shit all this time, because you yourself dont even know wtf you want
J says:
like i said
J says:
stop hurling insults at me
J says:
and like i said
i know what i want
and i dont need to know how to express it*
J says:
and you are only trying to make me agree with you
J says:
and it aint happening
J says:
you think you've got it made, then go ahead, the world is your oyster
J says:
all you gotta do is shuck it
K says:
well then tell me how i am wrong
J says:
i think you can tell yourself how you are wrong*
J says:
stop asking me for advice if you are going to swear at me and slam my advice
J says:
find your own damn advice
K says:
you havent given me any goddam advice. you just said you 'can't say really'
J says:
u know what? i have had no sleep. i am going to sleep now*
J says:
why dont you read back on the convo
J says:
if you find some advice, then good for you!
J says:
if all you find is sprouted shit, then oh well, you started off with nothing, u end up with nothing
J says:
no gain
K says:
hey hypocrite u just insulted me

bluebird47 · Post by **bluebird47** » Thu Jun 22, 2006 10:51

i kinda gave up reading after 2.gotta pee part. but from what i know she probably likes u. if u find girls confusing then theres always men. take it or leave it! u shud know that whenever u talk to girls u have to be smooth...

offtopic: today this girl i liked before confessed that she likes me and really regretted not dating me earlier, before i got with my current girlfriend. still made me really happy even though it doesnt change anything, anyone know that feeling?

Post by **Gunsmith** » Thu Jun 22, 2006 11:06

ie: i'm not telling you how to get into my pants.

girls also refuse to admit any kind of logic in courting because the in their opinion, romance involves no science whatsoever!

Smart guys know otherwise.

However what she does say rings true for quite a few girls. If you want to get into her pants, appear the opposite.

And yes girls are generally that stubborn and illogical. Men are too, but in totally different ways eg: playing a video game as opposed to eating a salad.

Girls vs a life with seamen. It's tough.

Fat Cat Lim · Post by **Fat Cat Lim** » Thu Jun 22, 2006 11:50

Both of you were pretty rude and frank with each other. You're both perfect for each other!

I like the anvil analogy.

"OMG I'm sinking! Help! HELP!"
"I'll save you! So umm...do you want the life bouy? This suitcase? Or this piece of plank that I found nearby? What about this anvil next to my feet? Or..."
"LLRGLJGLJGLJGGG"

*drowns*

Not many women will be frank with you and tell you what it takes to take her heart; there's no mystery or romance to it. Otherwise dating would be boring. Part of the fun (to them at least) is finding out.

While guys just want lists with instructions, girls are more indirect about what they want. Sound familiar?

7d3j · Post by **7d3j** » Thu Jun 22, 2006 12:35

*Sighs*

Me. Luckless.

*Sighs*

Eczema · Post by **Eczema** » Thu Jun 22, 2006 12:42

ffs i have no interest in this girl, and i doubt she has for me either. the topic here is about ideologies of love. am i am wrong in what i said? forget her.

and bluebird, thats a shame. you should read it all.

Fat Cat Lim · Post by **Fat Cat Lim** » Thu Jun 22, 2006 13:09

Like Gunsmith said, the both of you are right and wrong at the same time!

You're right in that there is a certain logic and method when courting girls and that the girl should accept for who you are, but she's not wrong either; there are some general rules to dating that should be followed when with a girl! (e.g. don't arrive at a date dressed like a slob, don't be inconsiderate to her needs, don't be an asshole, etc).

The both of you are too stubborn to concede with each other, hence that's why I said the both of you are compatible!

Perfect Stranger · Post by **Perfect Stranger** » Thu Jun 22, 2006 15:55

I think I do detect that she likes you somewhat, so strap her down and make her take it like a bitch.

/saracsm off.

In all honesty? Even if she does like you with an attitude like that she really should just piss off, especially since you have no interest in her either. Her drowning analogy is completely inadequate, she talks like she's full of shite, and, unless you did something heniously wrong like make her pretend she's a lesbian to get some hot chick's number, you don't have to feel bad about thinking ill of her.

Like FCL says, yes, there are some universal rules you can apply in dating chicks like don't look like a slob, don't act like you're a perv, etc etc, but those are pretty much common sense.

denieru · Post by **denieru** » Thu Jun 22, 2006 16:30

A girl may know how to get in her pants... but unless you're damn damn close or lesbian/gay... she wont tell.

Maybe she(general) doesnt think about the actual "method" but there IS one for each girl.

As for the convo itself... its really hard for a man NOT to see this as she being bitchy and defensive because she looks at K as a potential mate. But since I dont know the relationship, it could mean anything.[/list]

Eczema · Post by **Eczema** » Thu Jun 22, 2006 17:32

Perfect Stranger wrote:unless you did something heniously wrong like make her pretend she's a lesbian to get some hot chick's number, you don't have to feel bad about thinking ill of her.

before we were talking about how we were gonna play soccer on saturday, and that a guy friend of hers will be there, and this guy is a close friend with the girl I like, so I was gonna befriend him and make connections y'know. i was asking her about this guy and what he likes and stuff to get closer to him. boy i sound gay but its true. this is where the stuff she says about 'using friends' comes from.

but yeah that luck comment really came out of nowhere.

in case anyone overlooked it, I would also like to point out how I managed to seamlessly work in various internet fads into a serious conversation, like the O RLY owl stuff, will smith aw hell naw, and juggernaut bitch.

Post by **Gunsmith** » Fri Jun 23, 2006 10:42

goddamit charles, I think everyone noticed, you don't get extra marks for bragging! The real question is whether she's thinking "Why did he call me "charles"? Or "wtf... is charles reading our conversation?" or if she knows the video she simply would think...

"did he just say charles? ... geek."

now, the question of whether she likes you or not is an interesting one which I actually didn't notice! Analysing the text, I'd say she's at least jealous of the attention and energy you're spending chasing this other girl, when you could be simply enjoying football with her.

Again, you'd feel the same if a girl used you to get closer to one of your mates. Nobody really likes being used.

Funnily enough I had a discussion with my gf about the anvil throwing, and while we agreed that the girl that drowns with the anvil would be the best match for you, when I suggested changing the anvil to a more common bunch of flowers to widen your chances and just get experience with girls and relationships, my gf became adamant that infact the anvil should be kept because any other relationship would be fake. Did somebody say "romance"? I say "just go out and get exp", she says "get true love or nothing!" I say true love can be engineered, she says otherwise-

and then I shut up because I know I'm going to fuck everything up if I open my mouth any further

don't want that hard work going to waste now do I (god if she reads this I'm dead)

-4n'Dant3- · Post by **-4n'Dant3-** » Fri Jun 23, 2006 19:31

To be honest, from her frank attitude and seemingly blunt demeanor she appears to be more of a guy than a girl. As for her liking you, she comes more across to me as someone who is a little too sensitive and outspoken. But, what Gunny says is right. You wouldn't feel too hot if a friend acquainted with you for the sole purpose of getting to know a lady friend of yours... but then again, I understand if you're doing it, because it is perfectly natural to find ways to fulfill our desires. Maybe these people are good friends of hers too, or perhaps she's idealistic about the way things should be done. One thing we all know is that you must have pinched a pretty big nerve to make her like that...

.

She makes a poor analogy though. I barely understood the point she was trying to make to you. btw, columbo is a old school tv detective. 'Monk' was inspired by his idiosyncrasies.

I reckon you may need new gal pals.. =_=

Cascade · Post by **Cascade** » Fri Jun 23, 2006 21:17

Talking with someone who is that bad-natured is a waste of time.
If she was really "just your friend" and had no interest in you, she wouldn't mind helping you find another girl through her and her friends like any guy you were friends with. Women friends are problematic and needy. It is really hard for me to keep my patience with them sometimes.

You should have said "Are you an ass?"

Eczema · Post by **Eczema** » Sat Jun 24, 2006 00:52

thx guys, this topic = huge ego boost.

ego gains 500 exp. ego level up!