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Ack. Poor Whip doesn't even have a thread. Does anyone even play her?
I've been messing with her lately. IMO she's stronger than she was in 2k3, but still weak.
- DM isn't invulnerable.
- Boomerang shot has piss poor priority.
- Jump D has been weakened considerably. Used to have uber priority in 2k2. Gets beaten pretty easily now.
- Overall, she seems to have no way of competing in a hop vs hop battle. She's better off keeping the distance trying to land a jump CD and going for the cross up.
- LDM gets damaged scaled A LOT when the opponent is low on life. This pissed me off to no end.
- stand B*2> d.B> ,hcf+P DM misses randomly The DM seems to miss sometimes. Maybe I should be skipping a B?
I'm no Whip player. Maybe FCL could say something more. The last point was really annoying tho. Anyone knows a use for her new Red Genocide DM?
I've been messing with her lately. IMO she's stronger than she was in 2k3, but still weak.
- DM isn't invulnerable.
- Boomerang shot has piss poor priority.
- Jump D has been weakened considerably. Used to have uber priority in 2k2. Gets beaten pretty easily now.
- Overall, she seems to have no way of competing in a hop vs hop battle. She's better off keeping the distance trying to land a jump CD and going for the cross up.
- LDM gets damaged scaled A LOT when the opponent is low on life. This pissed me off to no end.
- stand B*2> d.B> ,hcf+P DM misses randomly The DM seems to miss sometimes. Maybe I should be skipping a B?
I'm no Whip player. Maybe FCL could say something more. The last point was really annoying tho. Anyone knows a use for her new Red Genocide DM?
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Re: Whip
A lot of moves suffer serious damage scaling when opponent is nearly dead. Try Clark's LDM on Adel when he has less than 20% health. The thing does less than 10% damage!AcidicEnema wrote: - LDM gets damaged scaled A LOT when the opponent is low on life. This pissed me off to no end.
But going back on topic, Whip is pretty poor in XI. I can't win jump-ins at all using her now, be it with C,D or E. And her new DM is poor, and only there as an option to Dream Cancel it.
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I should be ashame for forgeting about whip, she is one of my favourites, yet playing with her is like wanting to loose...agains top players that is. What teir is she anyways? I thought she would be better, but all those tone downs made her even harder to play with...wish she gets better next time...
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well i always thought whip had too much priority in the older kofs.....good thing they toned that down
also is her new DM safe? if so, you might be able to have it blocked, then catch an opponent trying to retaliate with a second one....i dunno, but someone did this to be a few weeks back. thing is i blocked the whole thing. didnt try to retaliate after her DM since i had no idea on its recovery time
crossups are still good, although obviously not as good as pre-2k3
also is her new DM safe? if so, you might be able to have it blocked, then catch an opponent trying to retaliate with a second one....i dunno, but someone did this to be a few weeks back. thing is i blocked the whole thing. didnt try to retaliate after her DM since i had no idea on its recovery time
crossups are still good, although obviously not as good as pre-2k3
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The good thing abt whip is that she sets up QS nicely this time around!! 3rd behind Gato/Ryo imho! That b b down+b, Sharu We Dansu? DM is a great set up for QS'! Ur in a big trouble knowing that ur opp gonna QS after N^th hit of that dm! I fought a great player who uses Whip/Kula/Ralf the other day and took 80%++ damage just by QSing to Leader ralf!! Ive never seen ne1 whiff that combo.. i think ppl tend to do that B B pretty fast so that it doesnt create a big push-back effect
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will Whip has never been top tier in anything she's always been poor ms. bottom tier (will I dont think there's a Mr.???) but anyway
They needa bring back her one move she last had in NW & 2k2 where she drops down from the screen if you can cross-up opponent on wake-up back-n-forth then u have an immediate death for n00bs
She also needs her crouching C (2 hits) juggle with super like in 2k
Also for her swing they need make it knock the opponent away from her or something I mean she lands right next to them wtf .
Desert Eagle can combo omg
can juggle to + P off of any AA standing normal so that is a plus
Standing Bx2, crouching B is a nice addition. Flexible and verifiable way to land a combo
Her throw bounces the opponent to about max sweep range so that's a plus. I mean she's Whip u want ppl far away...am I right
Jumping C is a cross-up. Not the best cross-up (oh fuck U Ken) but still works confusing since not many cross-up's include a whip
Her new super is pure garbage. Can only be comboed off of strong attacks which means no Bx2, crouching B to qcfx2 + P so fuck that super if ya ask me
Best zoning moves to me are
Crouching A, Neutral Jump C, standing C, f + A or jumping E is also decent
I believe you cannot juggle with anything after a crouching C (2 hits) except Desert Eagle but I maybe wrong so if it hits as anti-air go for
+ A (hits high)
+ C (hits low)
acceptable mix-up game
They needa bring back her one move she last had in NW & 2k2 where she drops down from the screen if you can cross-up opponent on wake-up back-n-forth then u have an immediate death for n00bs
She also needs her crouching C (2 hits) juggle with super like in 2k
Also for her swing they need make it knock the opponent away from her or something I mean she lands right next to them wtf .
Desert Eagle can combo omg
can juggle to + P off of any AA standing normal so that is a plus
Standing Bx2, crouching B is a nice addition. Flexible and verifiable way to land a combo
Her throw bounces the opponent to about max sweep range so that's a plus. I mean she's Whip u want ppl far away...am I right
Jumping C is a cross-up. Not the best cross-up (oh fuck U Ken) but still works confusing since not many cross-up's include a whip
Her new super is pure garbage. Can only be comboed off of strong attacks which means no Bx2, crouching B to qcfx2 + P so fuck that super if ya ask me
Best zoning moves to me are
Crouching A, Neutral Jump C, standing C, f + A or jumping E is also decent
I believe you cannot juggle with anything after a crouching C (2 hits) except Desert Eagle but I maybe wrong so if it hits as anti-air go for
+ A (hits high)
+ C (hits low)
acceptable mix-up game
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No, Whip was really good before 2k3 and after 99, but it didn't have to do with the wierd hyena screaming move, she was far from bottom tier.
Also, so THAT's how you land that new DM. I've given up trying to use the thing because it hardly ever connects, has no invince time at the beginning (I seriously miss this on all of her L/DMs, I loved using them as a sort of a counter) and you can easily hit her out of it =/
Also, so THAT's how you land that new DM. I've given up trying to use the thing because it hardly ever connects, has no invince time at the beginning (I seriously miss this on all of her L/DMs, I loved using them as a sort of a counter) and you can easily hit her out of it =/
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Turns out you can combo her hcbB anywhere in the screen after a deep crossup C, dwnC, fwdA x3.
The trick is to hold down the B button after hcbB and walk forward for a split second before releasing it...but it only works once because the opponent either gets pushed too far away or gets knocked down, so no Kim style 2k1 infinite
The trick is to hold down the B button after hcbB and walk forward for a split second before releasing it...but it only works once because the opponent either gets pushed too far away or gets knocked down, so no Kim style 2k1 infinite
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