:: orochinagi

Guys, I saw this with my own eyes:

Ash in corner...
+p, dc to ldm, du+d, du+b, bck+b, du+d, du+d, du+d, du+b, bck+d, du+d, du+d, du+d, du+d

Also, jump d, a, a, du+d

back+ B is a lot slower now. Can stuff it with light attacks easily.

ash's fireballs seems smaller and travels slower. this includes his fireball dm, which is pretty much dodge-bait when used from a distance (as if 03 weren't bad enough though. back+b is almost useless now since it comes out very slow.

imo ash seems more reliant on combos now.

-4n'Dant3- wrote:yeah, so i got to this topic a little late.

*snip * remy stuff.

remy is ass in 3s, don't compare remy to ash and then say ash is worse.

that means ash would be unplayable cuz remy is bottom tier in 3s.

i havne't had a chance to try this but..

for ash's LDM, is it just press a,b,c,d in sequential order and do the followup after it hits? can you compare a,b,c,d with akuma's raging demon motion(minus the direction)


and for the followup, is there some timing involved with it or just do it whenever the first part connects?

It's not exactly a followup, you can do it separately after you did the LDM. Just make sure that Ash is still flashing when you do it. Not sure how many stocks it takes though.

VAI wrote:

-4n'Dant3- wrote:yeah, so i got to this topic a little late.

*snip * remy stuff.

remy is ass in 3s, don't compare remy to ash and then say ash is worse.

that means ash would be unplayable cuz remy is bottom tier in 3s.

that's your opinion. not mine.

i use both ash and remy in their respective games and think theyre both awesome. ash is just harder to use in the kof engine, thats all.

watch what you say next time btw.

-4n'Dant3- wrote:

VAI wrote:

-4n'Dant3- wrote:yeah, so i got to this topic a little late.

*snip * remy stuff.

remy is ass in 3s, don't compare remy to ash and then say ash is worse.

that means ash would be unplayable cuz remy is bottom tier in 3s.

that's your opinion. not mine.

i use both ash and remy in their respective games and think theyre both awesome. ash is just harder to use in the kof engine, thats all.

watch what you say next time btw.

remy as bottom tier is not my opinion, it's been part of the 3s tier list for a while now.

now this is my opinion:
i'll post whatever i want as long as i feel that i'm not personally attacking another person.

on topic, ash is a lot easier to use than remy due to small jumps that combo into d+B, or empty jump mixup. and being able to rely soley on small jump mixup and not having the need to use super, as well as the option to give the meter to another person, that makes ash better than remy who in his respective environment..
1)has to deal with parries(which in many cases makes his moves not as guaranteed/safe as ash and his enviroment.
2)has a so-so damage supers with huge super bars

Alright, since no one posted an update on Ash yet. I might as well try.

- New extra Leader move, ,qcf+E is a VERY fast Heat Drive (similar to K's 99 SDM). It does pretty good damage, and seals opponent's special moves for about 8 seconds upon hitting. I'm not sure if it's unblockable though. It's possible, since you need 3 stocks to be able to use this move. Very useful against Magaki.
- His LDM now lasts for a pitifully short time, about 5 seconds real time or so. Using his ,qcf+E automatically ends the LDM mode,.
- b+B no longer combos from light attacks, so no more cr.B twice into b+B. You also can't combo his ,qcf+K DM from this anymore, although you can still punish opponent with the DM if they tried to hit you after blocking the b+B.
- For some reason, you can no longer cr.B into f+A. It won't even cancel. cr.A into f+A works though.
- Since you can't cr.B into b+B, you can now cr.b twice > cr.A, > d,u+K. This works even if you started with a jump-in. It's highly recommended you do so to ensure the d,u+K comes out every time.
- Charge b,f+C is slow to launch, and doesn't negate normal projectiles anymore. Pretty crappy now, but it does quite a bit of damage. Still useful if your opponent turtles.
- +C command throw can no longer be chained into (it will miss if you tried a stand A/B>hcf+C), but Ash recovers faster from this move, so you can now do a jump-in or his ,qcf+P DM after it hits.
- ,qcf+P DM juggles if it hits a mid-air opponent. Since the move doesn't disappear until it gets 10 hits or if it reaches the end of the screen, you can have opponent bouncing like a basketball from one corner to the other.
- ,qcf+P has no more invincibility frames on startup, and if Ash is hit before he throws the ball, it will disappear even if the ball was already created.

Down B, Down A, Qcf x 2 kick still works.

btw, his jump E (aka Extra strong CD) has pretty good priority.

Back B has sure been slowed down. but u still can use it to poke.

I normally cr.B>cr.B>cr.A>d,u+K or ,qcf+K.

And yes, his jump E is surprisingly good in air-to-air battles.

His new Leader move is very good indeed. There's a very short startup pause, but Ash doesn't dash forward. He TELEPORTS forward, and if opponent was in his path, it'll hit. The problem is getting 3 stocks to use this in the first place, and I'm not sure Ash is worth putting as team leader, since his LDM doesn't last as long anymore.

guys, any LDM combos for ash while your in the middle of the stage...

other than his c, and qcfqcf b DM...what are his other LDM set-ups in the corner?

Tel wrote: - Charge b,f+C is slow to launch, and doesn't negate normal projectiles anymore. Pretty crappy now, but it does quite a bit of damage. Still useful if your opponent turtles.

so what does it do to normal projectiles then? Does it just diappear completely?


(Negate here means wher if hits a projectile the other flame still goes on right?)

shen_vs_galford wrote:

Tel wrote: - Charge b,f+C is slow to launch, and doesn't negate normal projectiles anymore. Pretty crappy now, but it does quite a bit of damage. Still useful if your opponent turtles.

so what does it do to normal projectiles then? Does it just diappear completely?


(Negate here means wher if hits a projectile the other flame still goes on right?)

both projectiles(ash's and someone's) wil just cancel each other out....
his b,f+c is a good wait to bait jump-ins though...

what about that LDM set-up and combos when your at the center of the stage...

_KC_ wrote:guys, any LDM combos for ash while your in the middle of the stage...

other than his c, and qcfqcf b DM...what are his other LDM set-ups in the corner?

after u grab your opponent with Hcf C, u can do:

down, up, B Cancel into back, foward, A, Qcfx2 E

yah, done when the 2 of you are in the middle